We go deeper into Henrik Schwarz’ history, his early infatuation with computer music and why he doesn’t DJ today in part 2 of our interview with the artist
When we left our conversation with Henrik Schwarz, we were deep into the future and the technological advancements influencing his own music career. This time, we’re turning back the clock to Henrik’s origins, driving over the Swiss/ German border to buy records and discovering the possibilities of the computer as an instrument.
We discuss his eventual affiliations with Innervisions, and that first collaborative release with Dixon, and Âme that turned out to be a milestone for everybody involved and started a life-long friendship and collaborative partnership between the artists.
That partnership played somewhat of a significant role in Hernik Schwarz’ decisions to eventually abandon DJing to focus on his live performance, something that still sets him apart in his field.
He’s maintained a steady and consistent discography, reinforcing his sound with each release. Between LPs and EPs, he continues to operate in sprawling musical aesthetics, but his continued involvement with labels like Innervisions and Sunday Music keeps his music grounded on the dance floor.
It’s in that context we’ll meet him next at Jaeger this Friday, but before we get there, we have got part 2 of our interview with Henrik Schwarz. You can read part 1 here.
Even though we are touching on Detroit and the future, I want to step back into your past. I know you were driving to Switzerland to buy records when you were young. Why Switzerland?
I was in the very south of Germany and there is no big city and no Autobahn. You are a little bit lost there if you want to connect to the world, at least at that time. I was interested in music and although we had a small record store, where I worked, and a club, when I wanted to buy records, I had to drive to the next big city, and that was Zurich at that time. Zurich had a few record stores that were importing from America and the UK; the newest, latest thing.
What was the newest, latest thing back then? I know you had grown up with Hip Hop, but were you buying Hip Hop records at that point?
When I started buying records it was already after my Hip Hop phase. I was very into the first wave of Hip Hop that hit Europe, and when I started buying records I was already looking for the originals of the samples. I was buying Funk, Jazz and Soul and then electronic music a little later.
Were already making music at that point?
Yes, I started in 1992. This is when a friend of mine got a computer from his dad, and when I saw it, I thought; “can we make music with it?” I had a strong drive to make music, but I never learnt an instrument.
How did the thought even occur to you back in ‘92? Even though computers had been around for some time, people weren’t really talking about making music on them yet, as we understand it today.
I never really thought about that. I had a few machines like an 808 (drum machine) and a small mixer at home, and I was experimenting, but that didn’t really work for me because the sequences (the amount of notes you can record in the machine) were too short. I wanted a little bit more, and at that time magazines were writing about a soundcard. The new thing, and this shocked me, was that this soundcard could sample. I put all my money into this soundcard and put it in my friend’s computer.
You had an 808 – probably one of the most legendary, and today most expensive, drum machines – and opted to go with a computer.
I was always attracted to new technology.
Going from those early experiments with making music, to actually putting something out in the early 2000’s, what was that progression like?
Well, it took ten years, and everybody around me told me what I was doing is shit. Maybe they were right, some of it was noise.
At what point do you find that there is something there that goes beyond the noise?
Never, actually. It was Sasse (Klaus Linblad) from Moodmusic (and Sunday Music) that did that. I played something from a CD that I had when I was warming up for him. After we finished the night, he came to me and asked about that track, and I said I made it. I gave him the CD and half a year later he called me and said, ‘let’s make a record.’ At that time it was my dream to make a record. I would have never done it myself. That was a dream come true
Those early records on Moodmusic were very sample based and later on your music takes a turn to more synthesiser focussed pieces. At what point do you leave the sampling behind for the sound that you are known for today?
It was a slow development. The sampled music came from Hip Hop. I had all those records that were used for Hip Hop and I thought I could use them for House music. DJ Sneak was doing that with great success; a simple Disco loop and a clever combination of sounds, and you had something really fresh.
Theo Parrish and Kenny Dixon (Moodymann) were also super important to me. They came with a new sound from Detroit that really shocked me. They also had samples in their music and they were using them in a very inspiring way, it was very raw.
I was into Detroit Techno, which was mostly short loops, but not many samples. Then those new guys came and I think they were coming from a Hip Hop background using MPC samplers instead of drum machines.
In the case of Theo Parrish it’s very much there in his DJing too in the way he almost cuts and pastes records together in an almost kind of psychedelic manner. There’s nothing rooted in strictly sequenced music.
Yes, I was very influenced by him; in his music and his Djing and that showed me a new perspective. It was super slow compared to the Techno that came before and that was something I really liked. My first record was 99 BPM.
I was going to bring that up, because that must have been unusually slow for a dance floor record even back then. Was that something that you purposefully set out to do?
I didn’t have anything in mind. I was just doing it. This just felt right. I liked the fast Techno, but this had a new energy.
Also the sound systems changed. For the first time, you had something that sounded better. Before you could play Techno on a shitty soundsystem, and it would sound great, because the kick drums weren’t so low, and the energy comes more from the whole spectrum.
There was a change in the sound aesthetic, because people started spending money on sound systems. That’s when those super low kick drums came to full effect and those worked at slower tempos, because you wanted that (physical) Boom!
By 2008, and your first record on Innervisions, your sound had moved towards faster tempos again and this more melodic focussed Techno sound you are known for today. Was there a shift in the way you made music and was there an outside influence like the clubs changing?
I don’t know why I got faster. I think everything was getting faster. I also started making remixes and the originals were often fast. I started playing keyboards and got more confident, and that’s why I started getting into theory. I had to get into theory with the remixes, because I found the remixes coming in from outside the dance music world, much more interesting.
Very often you get music that follows more traditional musical structures and rules, and because I wanted to play my own chords over those structures I had to find out the theory. Slowly I learnt what a root note is, what a scale is, what a chord is and how they worked together, and I think this led to a change of sound as well.
Your relationship with Innervisions is a long standing one, starting with that first track with you, Âme, Dixon and Derrick Carter. “Where we At” pretty much launched the label and an early marker for the success that label would enjoy. Was there some kind of synchronicity there that developed all of you at the same time to that point?
Yes totally. It was shocking in a way. I met Stefan (Berkhahn “Dixon”) on a bus to the airport in London, and we got to talking about going into the studio together. We started working on what would become “Where we At” and it was so easy.
We agreed on so many things and at some point Stefan said there were these two other guys, who had just released the first record on his new label, Innervisions. He said, “let’s bring them in”. We had a very strong connection. You present something and people would say “this is good” or even, “this is not good,” and this even went as far as shoes or t-shirts to a ridiculous extent.
You clearly all had an influence on each other, and again if I can cite this interview with Frank Wiedemann (Âme), you were also part of the reason he stopped DJing and started playing live. Was this the same case for you?
Yes, for me it was very clear pretty early on. When Ableton arrived, I was immediately there. For a while a DJ’d and played live, but both are very time consuming. If you’re DJing you have to listen to a lot of stuff, and that takes time. I wasn’t able to do both. I thought let’s stop Djing.
Being in the four-people group (with Âme and Dixon), you have these people that you just trust and this is a very important thing. When Stefan hears something, he can immediately tell you if this is the way or not. Kristian (Beyer, Âme) will often bring in a new idea that you wouldn’t have thought of and with Frank it’s been super close musically from day one. I am always a super fan, and when I need keyboards I always want him to play it, because it’s fantastic.
There’s a very natural agreement there.
Do you ever think you’ll get back to DJing?
I get asked to do it, and there’s part of me that would love to do it, but it would be a lot of work. I can do it from a technical perspective, it’s like riding a bike, but the selection of music would take a lot of time. I have a lot of stuff, but I don’t spend a lot of time selecting music for the dance floor.
So you’re still consuming a lot of music that’s not your own. Do you still find inspiration in other people’s music?
I was finding a lot of inspiration in new music for many years, but it kind of stopped five years ago. Before that, there would be some new music every year that blew me away. For example, there was a year when all those Arthur Russel records were re-released and I had never heard of him before. I was blown away and it inspired new things. I don’t know why it stopped, and I still buy new music, but I haven’t found a new artist, where I thought; “wow I hadn’t heard this before.”